15 thoughts on “Fighting Congressional Corruption By Getting Money Out Of Politics

  1. La Rae Williams

    Money can be used for Good, or for Evil. It’s not always clear when Money comes before Policy, and when Money is there Because of Policy. When a Politician moves Special Interests to “Sponsor” their Ideas because they share a Passion for the Platform they support that is a Collaboration. A Meeting of the Minds. When the Special Interests give Money in order to Sway the Opinion of the Politician, sure, that’s an outright Case of Money Corrupting Politics. In a way, both good and bad Situations are Influenced by Money, and it can get Difficult to tell. That’s why Transparency is so Important. Lay everything out and Educate the Voter and let them draw their own Conclusions. What are they afraid of?

    Term Limits are Bad. They Spoil Democracy. With the exception of the Office of the President of the United States, Term Limits only end up Limiting Democracy. It takes the Elements of Choice and Fairness out of our Elective Process. If you want to get rid of Someone, then Vote them out of Office. We shouldn’t sanction using some Arbitrary Number of Terms. Some Politicians are the People’s Choice they can Prove it by winning Elections. It is the Job of the Electorate to Activate, and Vote. Special Interests can Benefit from Someone that holds Office for a long time, True. But they can also benefit from some Limit that makes sure a Rival Politician will soon be Forced out of Office.

    Both Parties’ Creativity and Influence could be more Realistically Tested with less Money swirling around. A lot of People feel Disconnected from Politics because Fundraisers are often out of Social and Financial reach for many Constituents.

    Much more involvement on a Community Level. We need to help Get Out The Vote in Realistic ways. Make more Jobs for Organizers that actually Pay (we could use some of that Money Floating Around), instead of depending almost exclusively on Volunteers to do the Politicking. This leaves once Energized Activists feeling overwhelmed, and these days we often don’t have the best People out there because they can’t afford the time and loss of income to work for Free on a Campaign.

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  2. arlys mills

    Money has a huge impact on the choices made by our legislators. Our country goes through cycles of government enacting laws that benefit the rich until the general population us hurting so bad that changes have to be made. What happened to the anti trust laws that were enacted after the depression?
    I totally support the anticorruptionact but I believe term limits are the only real solution to slowing corruption. Our voters are working so hard just to survive that most of us dont have the time or ability to search out the truth behind the ads and media spin. Once a person gets elected to he/she seems to automatically be reelected term after term unless someone with more money comes along. One method that might break the cycle of automatc reelection but still allow voter freedom would be staggered terms. The politician could fill 2 consecutive terms but then be required to sit out a term before running again.

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    • Hal

      Not a great discussion at all. The top comment is an overlong quote about the military industrial complex that is barely related to the issue of campaign finance reform.

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      • Laurel (moderator)

        There are plenty of relevant comments, and out of 170 you’re complaining about ONE? If you have something constructive to add, please do so here.

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      • Newt

        Pardon me while I laugh myself sick at the suggestion that the military industrial complex is in any way NOT connected to campaign finance reform issues. …It’s the single biggest expenditure of the federal government.

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  3. Thomas Lister-Looker

    I’d be interested in knowing what effect the recent ruling by the US Supreme Court which basically states (I’m providing a very lose definition here) that corporations are considered citizens — or something along those lines. This ruling seemed to open the gates of corruption in politics even further because it gives even great power, along with a louder voice, to corporations over those of us who are constituents and doing the actual voting. I think if we limit the flow of where the money is coming from (corporations) then hopefully we would see a shift start to happen. Is it the absolute cure, certainly not, but it could be a beginning. It’s difficult to curb corruption when greed will always be more of a flaw, rather than an attribute, of humans!

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    • Elias

      The “recent” legislation that you talked about was a ruling in 1819 in the Dartmouth Collage vs Woodword that said that corporations have the right of regular people, such as the right to sue in court. This ruling has been a major part of US history and politics from the Gilded Age (1887-190x) untill now and has shaped the political landscape. You will be hard pressed to try and enact change on something that has been in place for almost two centuries.

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  4. Mary

    There are so many things that are happening to this country to worry about because of corporate influence that I do not know where to start. Do you know Tom Ridge went immediately to work for the fracking industry after being our first director of homeland security? They look at anti fracking protesters as terrorists in their meetings. Watch Gasland 2. Animal rights activists are listed as domestic terrorists for filming our food and gag laws are put on them. They now can be put in federal prisons for taking a picture. Corporations are making our laws. Corporations are are now running for profit prisons. I will write more later. But I am going to leave you with the fact that a Dupont heir got probation for raping a three year old (admitted it). In Detroit three ten year olds were arrested on felony burglary charges for reaching through a broken window to get toilet paper on a dare. They got diverted into a new program but were cuffed arrested and printed. It was on Frontline. We are calling environmentalists terrorists. Who is in charge here. Our government is not releasing papers about animal activist right now because they say it would endanger national security. Really? These guys thrive on us not paying attention and operating behind closed doors. Let us open the doors. Each congress person needs to be held up to the spotlight. Donations need to be limited and transparent. Citizens united needs to be revoked.

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  5. Newt

    …You know what always worries me…and by worries, I means “fills me with despair to the point where I drink myself to sleep”…about this sort of article…is that you start things off with some absolutely ferocious statistics and studies by places like Harvard and Berkley outlining the problem…and then ends on a whimper, with a Ben Franklin mythos tale, and some generalities and platitudes like “Hound your congressman!”

    “Hound your congressman?” …Hound him HOW? …You just flat said that they were 4X as likely to take a meeting with a donor as a “constituent.” This kind of op-ed piece is extremely good telling us what’s wrong, and not so great at suggesting solutions…because, duh – if the problem was that easy to fix, we’d have done it by now.

    My personal opinion is: Eventually the plebes in this country are going to have to understand that the only way to fight money is with more money. Obama did it right – that guy out fundraised Moneybags Mitt Romney on mostly grassroots issues, and with scads of small donations, despite the fact that Romney was the clear corporate contender.

    I think in future articles you should drill-down on fixes, unless your entire point is “There is no fix, short of starvation and eventual revolution.” …Because “There is no fix” is what this article conveys.

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    • David

      Well, from the way I understand the piece, it’s not meant to solve everything in 1,500 words. It’s meant to spur discussion and debate — which, the way I understand things — is the mission statement of Stir Journal. I think the author did an outstanding job in laying out the details of the problem in such a way as to not bait us with partisanship, which is what an article like this usually does.

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    • Laurel (moderator)

      I disagree that this article implies that there is no fix, Newt. If you look at Represent.Us’ website, you’ll see that they have a painstakingly detailed plan of action, including the American Anti-Corruption Act. They also have an impressively bipartisan Board of Advisors, which suggests anything but hopelessness.

      I would ask that you also read STIR’s “ABOUT” page. We publish articles with the goal of having commenters suggest actions they believe will make positive changes. If you weren’t satisfied with the points made in the article, (eg., making Congressional corruption a ballot box issue), maybe you could contribute alternative solutions.

      STIR will present pieces about controversial issues. Our contributors may or may not offer solutions, but they will encourage readers to think. We hope our audience is smart enough to discuss possible actions, rather than being spoon-fed ways to “fix” problems in the world.

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